The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

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The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

Postby Deke Dickerson » Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:25 am

The last thing I'll post this evening is a couple of photos of the very first guitars that Semie ever built, the first guitars to ever carry the famous "Mosrite" name.

As I mentioned, Semie began working for Paul Bigsby around 1952-1953, and after that association ended, he worked for Rickenbacker and studied under Roger Rossmeisl around 1954-1955.

Jay Rosen turned up this guitar a while back and put it in his yearly calendar. This image is owned and copyrighted by Jay Rosen.

Many people who have viewed this don't believe this really is a Mosrite, but I truly believe that this may be the earliest Mosrite guitar in existence. There are too many things that point to it being a real Mosrite circa the embryonic 1953-1954 era. First of all is the headstock, which is the Bigsby-esque headstock shape that Semie used for the first few years. He changed it to 3-on-a-side around 1956 because so many people kept thinking that they were Bigsby guitars.

Now, before looking at the next photo--check out that Semie created a 6-in-line headstock using the left and right hand tuners from a 3-on-a-plate Kluson tuners. See the space in between the D and G tuners?

The second thing that indicates to me that this is the genuine article is the trussrod cover. Although it is crude and has an almost child-like "mosrite" inscription on it, check out the shape--it's an almost complete ripoff of the Rickenbacker truss rod cover!

The third thing that makes me think this is the real deal is that it has a pickup (unknown if its a Carvin, perhaps it's a Gibson P-90 since it has Gibson knobs and tuners possibly stolen from a Gibson?) suspended in a floating one-piece pickguard assembly, like the 1958-1959 Mosrite that I posted on this forum the other day.

This thing is incredibly crude and shows little of the finesse that Semie later proved himself capable of. But I'm sticking my neck out here and saying this is the earliest Mosrite guitar known to exist.
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Now, compare the "Johnny" guitar above to the earliest known photo of Semie with his custom made tripleneck guitar, circa 1953-1954. The most striking similarity is the headstock shape.

By this point Semie had learned the art of the German carve from Rickenbacker shop foreman Roger Rossmeisl. He had also started using the Carvin AP-6 pickups as his main pickup, and started making his bridges and tailpieces by hand.

Note also that this guitar, like the first incarnations of the Joe maphis & Larry Collins doublenecks, were blond wood with 6-on-a-side headstocks, like the Bigsby guitars that Semie had seen while working for Paul Bigsby.

Now, remember what I said about Semie using the left and right side of a 3-on-a-plate Kluson tuner set to make his 6-on-a-side? Look at the picture of Semie with the tripleneck and see the space in between the D and G tuners....the same tuner configuration as the "Johnny" guitar....a feature I've never seen on any other guitars....

Also note that the "Johnny" guitar and the Semie tripleneck upper and lower necks have the same tiny 3-dot pattern in the fingerboards. I think these two guitars were made right around the same time, at the very beginning of Mosrite.

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This tripleneck guitar went through many "updates" and Semie was still playing it in the 1970's, but the story I heard is that it eventually met its final fate in the car accident that nearly killed Semie. Anybody else have a different story about the final resting place of Semie's tripleneck?

By 1956, Semie had switched to the 3-on-a-side headstocks and 3-color sunburst finishes that we now associate with Mosrite guitars. But these were the first!

Deke

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Re: The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

Postby ElTwang » Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:22 am

So cool, Deke. Every morning is like opening a new x-mas gift these days. I kinda like the crude look of the 6-on-a-side Kluson tuners. I wonder if it has any drawbacks to it in that way?

Living in Europe I've seen all kinds of guitars from the 50s (mostly German makers, I guess) and the Mosrite look very crude compared to those.

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Postby EFElliott » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:23 am

Hey Deke, When I was working with Semie at Jonas Ridge, I was prowling through Semie personal guitar junk and ran across a couple of the necks to his original tripple neck, Kind of crude and Bigsby-ish, I ask him where was the rest of the guitar, he told me it was stolen out of his car along with his amp when he stopped at a cafe in New Mexico, he was out there playing some gospel concerts. So the version of that guitar thats on the old Mosrite warranty cards
and the front of the 1971 Mosrite brochure still might be out there somewhere. Sady all of Semies personal guitars, old parts and memorabilla were lost in the fire at Jonas Ridge in 1983.
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Postby ElTwang » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:57 am

EFElliott wrote:Sady all of Semies personal guitars, old parts and memorabilla were lost in the fire at Jonas Ridge in 1983.
Eddy.


Eddy, did you get to take any photos of all this?

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Postby Dennisthe Menace » Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:42 pm

Deke,
That is some INCREDIBLE INFO you unleashed on the FORUM :shock: .Anyone that has seen the
old TOWN PARTY on youtube, will DEFINITELY see the resemblance of the Early Headstocks
that are pictured here on the "Johnny" Guitar and the Tripleneck. This is one example of
the "Early Headstocks."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGkM44RZX0
DITTO on the trussrod cover, the "squeezed together" fret markers, and tuners w/the spacing between G and D string Tuners. If I was to take a guess, I would probably take a shot of that pickup being a P-90 with (like you had mentioned) Gibson Knobs. This might also correspond with the Gibson CF-100E era (1951-'59), then he switched to the Carvin Pick ups a short time later. But again, this is only a 'guess' on my observation, because I'm kind of 'sketchy' during this time frame :oops: .By the way, I have seen that same shape trussrod cover on a left handed "Special" Bass he had made around 1959.
E.F.Elliott had posted:
Sady all of Semies personal guitars, old parts and memorabilla were lost in the fire at Jonas Ridge in 1983.
Not all of them :mrgreen: . From what I understand, Semie had made 3 Triple Neck Guitars. One was lost in the fire back in '83, another one disappeared, and the third showed up! Deke, I thought you had posted this one off the youtube, but I might be incorrect. Anyhow some stills, courtesy of tymguitars.com. and the youtube below the pix.
ImageImage
1957 Triple neck built by Semie in LA. This would have been made just after
his original triple neck he built for himself. This guitar was fully restored by
Semie years later which explains all the 60's style hardware and pick ups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGHWIvV-EUA
make the Mos' of it, choose the 'rite stuff.
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1963 "the Ventures" Model s/n #0038
http://www.thevintagerockproject.com/

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Re: The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

Postby Deke Dickerson » Sat Dec 13, 2008 5:29 pm

Hey there Ed--

Thanks for letting us know about Semie's tripleneck. While it is sad that Semie lost all of his personal history in the 1983 fire, I guess I already knew about that. But what is new information to me is that....

SEMIE'S TRIPLENECK IS OUT THERE....SOMEWHERE.

Surely it will surface one of these days on ebay Mexico or at a garage sale in Taos. It's a shame it was stolen but then again if it hadn't it would have burned up in the 1983 fire. So, thanks Ed, you've given me a glimmer of hope that someday Semie's triple will show up!

Do you have a memory of exactly what years Semie was in Jonas Ridge?

Thanks again,
Deke

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Re: The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

Postby Dennisthe Menace » Sat Dec 13, 2008 6:49 pm

Dennisthe Menace wrote:Deke,
That is some INCREDIBLE INFO you unleashed on the FORUM :shock: .Anyone that has seen the
old TOWN PARTY on youtube, will DEFINITELY see the resemblance of the Early Headstocks
that are pictured here on the "Johnny" Guitar and the Tripleneck. This is one example of
the "Early Headstocks."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGkM44RZX0
DITTO on the trussrod cover, the "squeezed together" fret markers, and tuners w/the spacing between G and D string Tuners. If I was to take a guess, I would probably take a shot of that pickup being a P-90 with (like you had mentioned) Gibson Knobs. This might also correspond with the Gibson CF-100E era (1951-'59), then he switched to the Carvin Pick ups a short time later. But again, this is only a 'guess' on my observation, because I'm kind of 'sketchy' during this time frame :oops: .By the way, I have seen that same shape trussrod cover on a left handed "Special" Bass he had made around 1959.
E.F.Elliott had posted:
Sady all of Semies personal guitars, old parts and memorabilla were lost in the fire at Jonas Ridge in 1983.
Not all of them :mrgreen: . From what I understand, Semie had made 3 Triple Neck Guitars. One was lost in the fire back in '83, another one disappeared, and the third showed up! Deke, I thought you had posted this one off the youtube, but I might be incorrect. Anyhow some stills, courtesy of tymguitars.com. and the youtube below the pix.
ImageImage
1957 Triple neck built by Semie in LA. This would have been made just after
his original triple neck he built for himself. This guitar was fully restored by
Semie years later which explains all the 60's style hardware and pick ups.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGHWIvV-EUA

Sorry guys, it took FOREVER to post this getting interrupted umpteen times with phone calls and everything else....Yippie!! I'm done posting this post :mrgreen: .
make the Mos' of it, choose the 'rite stuff.
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.....proud owner and documented:
1963 "the Ventures" Model s/n #0038
http://www.thevintagerockproject.com/

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Re: The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

Postby Deke Dickerson » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:26 pm

Regarding triplenecks!

Who knows how many there really were. We know of three but I but there's another one or two out there.

Semie had his famous one--the one built in 1953-54, that he re-necked and used in the 60's and 70's--which we now hear from Ed Elliot was stolen from Semie in New Mexico.

The one on youtube was made for a gospel group called "The Jessup Brothers" in 1957. The necks had "Charles Jessup" inlaid on them, and then painted over black when Semie did the revamp on it in the 60's. It was traded off to another preacher in the south, who then gave it to his grandson as a 13th birthday gift in the late 60's!!! This guy has kept it under his bed to this day, and I'm not sure where he lives now, he's a military guy and moves around every couple of years. But he still has it.

Then, Terry McArthur tells me on very good authority that Bob Regan, of "Bob & Lucille" had a tripleneck as well. That tripleneck is missing in action. Bob Regan also had a 50's doubleneck very similar to Joe Maphis' that turned up recently in basket case form. It may be restored and seen again soon, but I can't reveal any more than that.

I own a tripleneck body that Gene Moles sold to Univibe in San Francisco before he died. It's a bound sidejack chambered solidbody tripleneck body that was never built....but it's real. Makes you wonder if there's any bound sidejack triplenecks out there, he wouldn't have just made a proto body and left it alone!?

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Re: The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

Postby Dennisthe Menace » Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:47 pm

Deke had posted:
Then, Terry McArthur tells me on very good authority that Bob Regan, of "Bob & Lucille" had a tripleneck as well. That tripleneck is missing in action. Bob Regan also had a 50's doubleneck very similar to Joe Maphis' that turned up recently in basket case form. It may be restored and seen again soon, but I can't reveal any more than that.

Deke, I wander if the guitar on the Album Cover was THAT Doubleneck,
'cause the body does not look wide enough for Triple....BTW, I PMd you ;) .
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make the Mos' of it, choose the 'rite stuff.
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1963 "the Ventures" Model s/n #0038
http://www.thevintagerockproject.com/

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Re: The very, very first MOSRITE guitars...

Postby Deke Dickerson » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:29 pm

The guitar on that CD cover is the doubleneck that turned up recently...as I mentioned here, it's now in basket case form with the original armrest, pickguard, pickups, hardware all missing and the finish sanded off.

Terry swears up and down that Bob had a tripleneck too, though! I believe it, he was another one of those "lifer" Mosrite guys like Joe Maphis, Larry Collins, and Brian Lonbeck, who was always sporting some kind of Mosrite that Semie had just given them...

Who knows, maybe the dang tripleneck will show up at a yard sale in my neighborhood, supposedly Bob Regan died here in the Valley near me somewhere and lived here most of his professional life (although he was Canadian originally).

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