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NGD Help!!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 12:25 pm
by Ramones77
So it's that time of the year, that TAX RETURN time of the year. This year my return has been gracious and I want to reward myself with a new guitar and amp.

Right now as for guitars I'm caught between the following:
1965 Mosrite Celebrity (3 Tone burst with fully covered pickups, no trem)

2004 Excellent 65 (3 Tone, all stock)

Hallmark Custom 60/65 - only problem is I have a rule against buying new and I cannot find any used ones besides that Les Fradkin on Reverb

also there's a 2016 '65 AV Jazzmaster near me for essentially the same price as the Celebrity, toying with that possibility too


This will be for live show usage, so keep that in mind. I've always wanted a legit Mosrite and I do like Celebrities, but I hear mixed things about the build quality. Like the look of the Excellent 65, but I've had an Avenger in the past and was underwhelmed. Can't find a used Custom 60/65.

I play power pop and proto punk mostly, think Big Star, The Raspberries, Cheap Trick with New York Dolls and The Real Kids thrown in. Amps I go through are an AC30 6TB and an Orange Dual Terror with the gain low in stereo.

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:57 pm
by Johnny-Alien
I owned a 62 AVRI Jazzmaster, Celebrity and an Excellent. Played a few Hallmarks. The Excellent was easily my favorite even over a higher end Kurokumo Mosrite. It was one of the lightest Ventures models reissues I have owned. I sold it to get a Junior and I wish I never had. I tried to get it back. I like vintage Mosrites but the Celebrity is my least favorite of the vintage models.

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:19 pm
by Sarah93003
I'll only speak to the Celebrity. For what you mentioned you play I would suggest a 1973-1974 Celebrity I or Celebrity-II Deluxe. The humbuckers and phase switches will give you a lot of versatility. Keep in mine the Celebrity-III's were entry level guitars. The Celebrity-I and Gospels were the best builds with the best appointments. The Celebrity-II is the thin line version of the Celebrity-I.

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:16 am
by Ramones77
Thank you Sarah, that helps clear that up a bit. I've always loved the look of those Celebrity IIIs, but if the build quality is iffy, I may pass. I had a line on a Celebrity 1 late last year I was very close to buying and I should have, it was beautiful. It was a 64 I believe and it had a flame maple back with only 2 neck bolts, rather than the usual 3, it had a trem and it had a lightly flamed top as well. It was 1000 even if I remember, great price. Funny you mention a 70s Celebrity as that's actually a viable option, one is up on GC Vintage for 900 I believe in a Maroon Burst. All original minus the tuners which are some tasteful Grovers.

The '65 AV has insane reviews compared to the '62 AV Jazzmaster, btw. They totally revamped the specs and the '65 AV is almost a parody of re-issues with how minute some of the vintage correct details are. Which is cool to me as I'm a detail nerd on re-issues. The Excellent 65 does sure look pretty, my only reservation is having a guitar shipped from Japan, where this is. If it's a lemon, chances are I am not paying the shipping to return it, which is a little nerve wracking.

Nobody has any feelers out on someone trying to unload a Custom 60/65?

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 7:31 pm
by Johnny-Alien

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:58 am
by Ramones77
Thanks for linking that in. Pearl white isn't really a color I'm interested in, in all honesty, mostly looking for a Candy Red, Metallic Blue, or a 3 Tone. Might have to open my mind though haha

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:49 am
by Johnny-Alien
I have seen sunburst used over the years and the occasional red but blue never pops up used. Good luck. If I could find a Hallmark that didn't weigh almost 9 lbs are over I would probably own one too. They are generally just all heavy. It's the only thing I don't like about them.

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:04 pm
by Sarah93003
Ramones77 wrote:Thank you Sarah, that helps clear that up a bit. I've always loved the look of those Celebrity IIIs, but if the build quality is iffy, I may pass. I had a line on a Celebrity 1 late last year I was very close to buying and I should have, it was beautiful. It was a 64 I believe and it had a flame maple back with only 2 neck bolts, rather than the usual 3, it had a trem and it had a lightly flamed top as well. It was 1000 even if I remember, great price. Funny you mention a 70s Celebrity as that's actually a viable option, one is up on GC Vintage for 900 I believe in a Maroon Burst. All original minus the tuners which are some tasteful Grovers.

The '65 AV has insane reviews compared to the '62 AV Jazzmaster, btw. They totally revamped the specs and the '65 AV is almost a parody of re-issues with how minute some of the vintage correct details are. Which is cool to me as I'm a detail nerd on re-issues. The Excellent 65 does sure look pretty, my only reservation is having a guitar shipped from Japan, where this is. If it's a lemon, chances are I am not paying the shipping to return it, which is a little nerve wracking.

Nobody has any feelers out on someone trying to unload a Custom 60/65?


You're welcome. It's not that the build quality of the CE-III's is iffy. They have lasted 50 years and still play great. In my opinion it is worth a little more to get the higher quality components and the multi layerd binding you find with the CE-I's and CE-II's.

Guitar Center has a gorgeous CE-II at a good price. It's in exceptional condition and appears to have no nicks on the headstock (very common). https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Mosri ... -Guitar.gc

The burgundy burst/maroon burst that you mention is all original. Starting in 1973 Semie put Grover tuners on them. This is also a beauty and a great price. https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Mosri ... -Guitar.gc

I would jump all over that one.

They also have beautiful Gospel and if it came down a couple of hundred I'd be tempted to grab it. https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Mosri ... -Guitar.gc

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 8:32 am
by Greg_L
I play blazing punk rock on a 60 Custom through massive Marshalls all the time.

Get one. Get it new. Get it from Bob.

Re: NGD Help!!

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:24 am
by Ramones77
So, in an interesting turn of events I was given a free set of really nice Jazzmaster pickups and a bound and block JM neck, so I'm gonna have MJT do a custom build for me using this stuff, gonna come in at around 750 all said and done, so I'm pretty happy about that. Gonna have him do a replica of Bob Wootton's 1966 Jazzmaster as heard/seen on Live at San Quentin from Johnny Cash. Thanks for the help folks! Someday I'll have a legit Mosrite, for now my Hallmark II will do.