Please help me identify this Japan Ventures Mosrite?

[jimatwood]

Hello,

I'm from the States, but I currently live in Nagano-city, JAPAN. I recently saw a Mosrite type guitar in a second hand shop near where I live, but couldn't quite I.D. the guitar. I attached three photos I took quickly with my phone. Everything hardware on the guitar is labeled "Mosrite". It also includes a hard case with a small button sized "Mosrite" logo on it. The guitar is missing the arm unfortunately. There are also a couple of small holes above the nut that probably had a custom tremelo retainer but I don't think that would be stock. The Head Logo is missing "California" or anything related to that, so I'm guessing it's made in Japan. I collect old Japanese vintage guitars like Greco for example and can tell this guitar has been used and is probably older than the year 2000. In Japanese the info/price tag which is turned around says Fillmore Mosrite in Japanese, but I'm not sure how accurate that is. The Sales clerk had no idea the origin of the guitar. They sell lots of other stuff besides guitars, so it's very possible the staff has no idea what sort of guitar this is. Oh, actually the bolt on black plate does say "Made in Japan" but that's it. There is no serial number. Also, I noticed the two knobs do not have a Mosrite letter "M" that I've seen on most of the Mosrite guitars of value.

Any ideas on whether this guitar might be any good? The price tag on it is a straight up $500 bucks. I'm new to Mostrite related guitars and find this particular model quite fascinating. Note I did play the guitar and it sounds and feels great to my ears.

Thanks very much. - Jim

http://jimatwood.net/mosrite/1.jpg
http://jimatwood.net/mosrite/2.jpg
http://jimatwood.net/mosrite/3.jpg

[panther]

Link didn't work for me.
Dan

[jimatwood]

Hi Dan,

I'm not sure the problem with the links. They work great on my end so not sure what to do there. I tried to embed using the img tag but it won't take my post. Perhaps it's because I'm a new member. Often these boards have strict rules for new users. Not sure.

Anyways, no worries. I'm doing my research and will likely find an answer soon enough. Much appreciated.

Jim


Update: I just posted an note on my music project blog with photos. Perhaps this link will work for everyone. Thanks very much.

https://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2016/05 ... del-japan/

[jimatwood]

After quite a bit of research, I'm starting to believe this is a Firstman Mosrite Ventures model. I've seen a couple of Japanese sites with near as I can the tell the exact same guitar. The two screw holes above the nut, I now believe is a truss rod cover or plate that is missing. This is consistent with Firstman having something similar. Note that not all Firstman Mosrite's have this it seems.

Here is one site I found with almost the exact same guitar in Japan
http://www.hiranogakki.com/eg/100205/02/item.html

Here is a video with pretty much the same looking guitar and hardware except the Ventures logo at the top. However it does have the truss rod cover or plate above the nut. Again, I believe this is missing on the one I am looking at. I just can't find a photo with both the cover and the Ventures logo just yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYN6jpL4eQw

I'm not sure the year. The guitar looks and feels VERY vintage. It's got that yellowish tint slightly and it's definitely been gigged with. It just seems the guitar wounds are due to age rather than someone knocking it around.

Also I see that the neck plate is rectangular with "Made in Japan" engraved. It is not tear dropped or dog bone in style like many that I see. FYI.

[jimatwood]

Just saw this online at the Japan Hardoff website. This also looks VERY similar, especially the tuners. The nut still looks a tiny bit different, not sure.

http://netmall.hardoff.co.jp/cate/30000 ... 76/349385/

The name on this one is a Mosrite VM-65.

Note: I'm now finding out that the VM-65 is usually made in Korea. Geez, all of the Mosrite stuff is making my head SPIN! Usually Japan guitars are not this complicated. I've been in Japan for 22 years now and Mosrite is definitely the winner in confusion...laugh.

[panther]

Jim;
I even tried Jimatwood.net, it says website not available.

Dan

[jimatwood]

Thanks Dan, that's interesting. Perhaps I have an IP range on the server that's blocking your area. Strange.

Anyways, no worries. I did post the photos on my wordpress blog which is hosted by wordpress themselves, so that should be accessible. I'll write the link here and not parse the URL so you can just copy and paste the link. That should work.

Thanks again. - Jim

https://jimatwood.wordpress.com

[jimatwood]

Hello again,

I checked back with the store today and "finally" figured out that I believe the guitar is a Firstman Mosrite Ventures Model guitar. From what year, I am still unsure and the writing on the info card still says Fillmore, but I'm not sure why. The neck plate I made a mistake is indeed actually a "teardrop" style plate with "Made in Japan" engraved on it. The knobs do not have the "M" Mosrite letter on them, rather they are plain. The Tremelo system says M Mosrite and Moseley respectively.

There are black and silver engraved tuners on the head, but no "California of", just M Mosrite and Ventures Model above that. There is a nut and just below that a skinny fret which actually has dents in it, so I'd have to either replace or file that down. I get kinks in the strings when I bend them from the 5th fret on down. There are four screw holds above the nut that have been filled in which I believe covers the missing truss rod style plate that I see some Firstman Mosrite guitars have. It's hard to explain, but the guitar feels and looks very 70's ish to me. The way the finish is down, the discoloring on the neck binding, and the aging of the hardware suggests an 80's or before model. That's just my guess though. The guitar sounds and plays very well and likely I'll pick it up.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYN6jpL4eQw[/youtube]

Right now I'm about 90% sure it's a Firstman just like the one in the video posted above.

Jim

[jimatwood]

I'm learning that some of these Mosrite guitars and copies had a zero fret. I noticed on the guitar I'm looking at that there are grooves in this smaller zero fret. When I bend the strings, mainly the B and E, they pop out of the grooves lower than the 5th fret. This results in a ping sound like a string popping out of the nut. Either you're not meant to bend the strings lower than the 5th fret which sounds absurd, or the setup is incorrect on this Firstman Mosrite. This is interesting and I'm not sure a way around the problem just yet.

[Bob Shade]

Replace the zero fret with a stainless steel fret or you can try filing the original down if there is enough life in it.