Guess I'll start throwing up a few pics...from Deke

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Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:06 am

Hey there Listers...thought I would start throwing up a few pics of my Mosrites.

I know that 99% of Mosrite obsession is based around the classic 1963-1968 Ventures model, but I've always been into the earlier, 1950's hillbilly-rockabilly custom creations. They sure don't turn up much, and the few I've managed to snag I'm mighty proud of.

The first one I'm going to post a photo of is an instrument from about 1959 or 1960, right as Semie was moving from his last L.A. location in Granada Hills to his first one in Bakersfield. Supposedly there were about 20 of these made for a local music store in San Fernando. I've seen about 5 examples of these in the flesh, including a double-pickup version with a cream-cover Carvin AP-6 next to the bridge (these have Carvin Ap-6 pickups in them, but submerged under the pickguard with the cover long gone). There was even a doubleneck version of this variant that some guy was trying to sell on ebay as Joe Maphis' personal guitar (it wasn't) for 50 grand (no bidders).

Okay, here's where I start to ramble and go off on a tangent. Here's Semie's chronology as I have come to understand it. There were lots of times Semie went off and toured with some gospel group and didn't make any guitars for a period, but here's where these guitars were made and when:

1952-1953 Semie did piecemeal work for Paul Bigsby (pickguards, inlay, poss. some necks). Semie was living with Reverend Boatwright in Norwalk, CA (various accounts including R.C. Allen)

1954-1955 Semie made his first few guitars, all while working for Rickenbacker and still living with Rev. Boatwright in Norwalk, CA. These first few guitars included his own custom tripleneck, and the doubleneck guitars for Joe Maphis and Larry Collins. (this according to F.C. Hall and Larry Collins)

1956-1958 Semie was working and I believe living at a music store in downtown Los Angeles, doing repairs and making his own guitars on the side, and doing customizing work. (this according to R.C. Allen and Del Casher)

1958-1960 Semie lived in Granada Hills in the San Fernando Valley and built guitars in a small shed. (this according to Terry McArthur, who apprenticed for Semie during this time)

1960 Semie moved to Bakersfield and lived with church people while trying to establish some guitar foothold. The earliest Bakersfield guitars are a major step back from the L.A. guitars, very simple and crude.

1961-1963 Semie established a "shop" on Panama Lane east of Bakersfield, in a tin shed behind fiddle player Jelly Sanders house. Semie and Andy Moseley lived in the shed and made guitars, enlisting local kids and guitar enthusiasts like Bill Gruggett and Joe Hall to do sanding and piecemeal work. This is where the first Ventures-style guitar emerged, first as a Standel prototype guitar, then as the "Joe Maphis Model" guitar which was then virtually swiped intact to become the Ventures model guitar. (this according to Bill Gruggett, Joe Hall, and a number of other Bakersfield musicians who remember coming to "the shed.")

1964-1968 The Ventures boom. Semie establishes a factory in downtown Bakersfield and Mosrite becomes a household name. After numerous bad money management decisions the factory and all assets are seized, and the tooling, machinery and leftover guitar stock is sold at auction.

1968-early 1970's Semie roams around California, making guitars from the leftover parts stash that he had. This is the origin of the "Mark I" guitar, and new models like the Bluesbender and the Brass Rail. Some were made in Bakersfield with Bill Gruggett, some were made in various other locales in California.

197??? Semie moves to Oklahoma and begins making the ill-fated "Sooner" models. Short-lived.

1976 Semie begins making the reissue of the Vibramute Ventures model for export to Japan.

197??? Semie moves to Jonas Ridge, North Carolina and establishes a small "factory" there. Hundreds of guitars are made in Jonas Ridge. A factory fire in the early 1980's wipes Semie out yet again.

198?? Semie gets an offer from the Arkansas State Board of Commerce to move his operation to Arkansas, take over a vacant Wal-Mart, and employ many luthiers and guitar makers left over from the Gretsch/Baldwin operation there.

Like I said, I'm more knowledgeable on the early years, so if somebody wants to help with exact dates post 1968, that'd be great. Back to THIS particular guitar....

This guitar is cool from a number of different standpoints, most notably it was the first single-neck electric instrument he ever "mass-produced." Everything else up to this point were one-off creations. The style of construction is very much taken from Bigsby, with a solid rail going from the neck joint to the tailpiece, surrounded by hollow "wings." Some unique touches on this guitar include the clear lucite nut and the solid black armrest (a nod to his earlier fancy inlaid armrests) and the early Bigsby-style strap "hooks."

On the other hand, this guitar was the first of what I would term the "starving Semie" guitars. There was a period where Semie was pretty hard up, basically the late 50's until the Ventures deal happened, where Semie made guitars out of whatever he could. Some of these guitars are really rough from a standpoint of woods and craftmanship, and this one falls in that category. For instance, the logo is spray-painted on, it has cheap tuners, the bridge is a simple wood bridge, the jack was mounted onto the flimsy pickguard with no reinforcement (and as such, every one of these I've seen has been broken and reglued). Semie was basically broke during this period and these guitars reflect this.

Well--it's a cool guitar nonetheless. Hope you enjoy the pics. One thing I would like to add without sounding like a paranoid weirdo is that THESE PICTURES ARE COPYRIGHTED AND FOR THE FORUM'S VIEWING PLEASURE ONLY. I paid a photographer for these photo sessions and I intend to use these photos in an upcoming book I'm working on so they are not to be copied and reproduced. Thanks!

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Re: Guess I'll start throwing up a few pics...from Deke

Postby MWaldorf » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:20 am

Deke,
No surprise, an amazing and informative post! So, how did you come upon this guitar? The history of the pre-Ventures Mosrite guitars must be pretty interesting - do you know anything about previous owners?
What is the black piece behind the neck heel - some kind of cover over screws holding the neck on?
Am I understanding correctly that the sides of the body are hollow?

How does it play? Is the neck feel similar to later Mosrites? Had Semie developed speed frets yet? Also, how does it sound? Have you used it on any recordings? Will this guitar be on display at the Guitar Geek Festival?

Thank you so much for sharing, and when the time is appropriate, tell us more about the book you're working on!

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Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:26 am

One more guitar to put up on the list tonight before I go to bed.

This is a good example of the sort of customizing work that Semie was doing in the 1950's. This particular guitar started out life as a 1953 Epiphone Emperor, but when Semie got ahold of it, it became something else altogether. I'm going to throw out a date of 1957-1958, only because that's when he did a similar custom job for Joe Maphis' 1958 Super 400 with humbucking pickups.

The first thing Semie did was half the guitar. Seriously, this is a thin-line Epiphone like the ones that Gibson began making in the late 50's, but Semie did it by cutting the guitar down from it's original depth to a much slimmer depth like an ES-335.

Semie thinned the neck down, made a primitive custom vibrato using half of the original Epiphone Frequensenator tailpiece, and added a custom pickguard and armrest. Of course the famous Semie three-color sunburst paint job was applied, which has now faded quite a bit.

What's NOT original about this guitar are the pickups. This guitar more than likely either had the stock Epiphone pickups or the Carvin AP-6 pickups that Semie was using during this period. When I got the guitar, the pickguards had been routed for later (1960's) Mosrite pickups. I put in 3 no-logo 1963 style pickups with an output of 6.5K ohms to match the Carvin style pickups, but they are not what this guitar would have had originally.

In addition, the "Customized By Semie Moseley" is not original, nor is the pinstriping on the headstock. At some point this guitar had a nasty neck heel break and was repaired very badly, so the painting on the headstock is covering up a very bad repair. Ouch.

I have no idea who this was made for originally. I thought for sure that with the inlaid "heart" on the pickguard and armrest, that it must have been made for Town Hall Party star Freddie Hart, but when I met Freddie, he said it was not his.

Some might consider this guitar pure junk and only good for firewood kindling, but I think of this guitar as a real "objet d'art." Sort of like owning a guitar that Salvador Dali chewed up and spit out.

Hope you guys enjoy it, and remember these photos are COPYRIGHTED and not to be reproduced. Thanks!

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Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:34 am

Mel--

A reply to your question about the 1959 Mosrite. Maybe I should make each guitar a new topic so this doesn't get confusing!

The neck plate is indeed there to cover up the bolt-on neck screws. However, the neckplate is GLUED on...typical Semie!

This one has an extremely round radius on the neck, which I don't like very much. Bending a note? Forget it. These things were meant to be played like fiddles by country players.

This guitar has fairly normal frets, but all the other ones I've seen from this period have NO frets. I mean, they are literally filed down to the level of the fretboard and completely smooth. By the time he was making the Ventures guitars he had figured out that even speed frets have to have some actual frets to work! ha.

Like I said, these guitars were made for a local music store to be sold as fairly budget and student model guitars. The fact that it only has one pickup and it's so basic means that it was never meant to be played by serious lead guitar players. that being said, it sounds good! I used this guitar on several of the early Dave & Deke Combo albums.

It will be on display at the Guitar Geek Festival, along with a bunch of other Mosrites from my collection and several other total Semie-nuts.

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Postby dubtrub » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:48 am

1958-1960 Semie lived in Granada Hills in the San Fernando Valley and built guitars in a small shed. (this according to Terry McArthur, who apprenticed for Semie during this time)

Hi Deke,

That is a great chronology of the Mosrite history. Unfortunately the above quoted information is inaccurate. I don't know about 1958 but during 59-60 Semie had a shop on Minner Ave. in Oildale CA. which is a Northern section of Bakersfield. It was in fact a small shed type shop. There was a living quarters in the front where he lived with his wife and new born daughter, and a small shop at the rear. It was directly across the street from Standard Elementary school. This is where I first met Semie and would head directly to his shop everyday after school. At that time he was building the designs you show in you first photo. From this location on Miner Street, Semie moved to the infamous Panama Lane barn and began making his first Joe Maphis 'mistake plate' guitars which later became the mark 1 production guitars after he teamed up with the Ventures.

Additionally the information about Jelly Sanders is a little confusing. I knew Jelly Sanders and went to school with his son Jim. Jim and I was learning to play guitar together. Jelly was teaching guitar lessons at Parlier's Music in East Bakersfield. Jim would learn from his dad, then we'd get together and he would show me the lessons. Up until I moved from Bakersfield in the summer of 1961 Jelly was living with his wife and Jim in a house they owned on North Manner Ave in Oildale. about three block above China Grade Loop Rd. I was only at the shop on Panama Lane one time and never heard anything about Jelly moving to that location.

Ed Elliott became involved with Semie at the Panama Lane shop. Hopefully he will chime in here and clarify any information about that location.
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Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:00 am

Danny--

Great! You're the first person I've met who can conclusively give me a date for when Semie hit Bakersfield.

I'm happy to stand corrected, and that's awesome you have a memory of this time.

So, Semie must have been in Granada Hills approximately 1958-1959, and moved up to Bakersfield at some point in 1959.

Terry McArthur told me that when Semie moved to Bakersfield, he offered him all of his tools and wood stock for a thousand bucks. that makes me think Semie was probably thinking of getting OUT of the guitar making business, luckily for us after a few hard years in Bakersfield he hit a gold mine with the Ventures guitars.

Do you know Doug ???? (I forgot his last name?) He's a CHP officer in Bakersfield and had Semie make him a double-neck guitar around 1961 or 1962. He wound up paying for half the guitar ($1200 in 1961 money--that's approximately 10 grand today, folks) by doing thousands of hours of sanding and grunt work at Semie's tin shed. I spent a nice afternoon with Doug in Bakersfield about 6-7 years ago and he had some great stories about Semie's early Bakersfield period.

Thanks Danny--I appreciate that.

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Postby dubtrub » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:07 am

Do you know Doug ???? (I forgot his last name?) He's a CHP officer in Bakersfield and had Semie make him a double-neck guitar around 1961 or 1962.

Yes, I know Doug Brewer. Doug went to work for the CHP and I went to work for the Bakersfield Police Department from where I retired. Doug still has his double neck last I heard. Last year he was working for the City of Bakersfield Building Department as a Building Inspector. I haven't seen him in years but a friend of mine was working with him a year or so ago. He had retired on a medical from the CHP for several years, then went back to work for them and retired on longevity. He then went to work temporarily as part time help with the city.

If you are ever in Bakersfield give me a call. We can grab some lunch and I'll take you out and show you the location of the Miner Street shop and tell you my personal story of Semie's acquaintance.
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Postby Deke Dickerson » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:21 am

Hey Danny--

You got it. I have to come up to Bakersfield in the next month or so.

As near as I have been able to ascertain, the very first Bakersfield guitars looked like this. They are identifiable by the weird aluminum foil covered pickups. The bass that Artie has hanging up at Front Porch is very much this style. They are cruder than the first guitar I posted, but they are obviously later because a few more ideas have been fleshed out for the first time, like the zero fret.

This picture is of a guitar that belonged to Jay Rosen. This image is copyrighted by jay rosen. Both guitar and amp are sold, so I heard...

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Postby dubtrub » Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:25 am

Great!

Looking forward to more photo's from the early years. ;)
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Postby Bushers » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:46 am

This is fascinating, it's great hearing how Semie evolved and started his business but equally sad that it never made the impact that Fender/Gibson and other huge guitar manufacturers did. When Semie hit on the body shape we all know and love in the Ventures model styling, he, IMO, had created the best looking guitar body ever made. I ofter wonder how/why it never took hold like Fenders, I guess maybe he was just slightly a few years late getting out of the blocks!!

We do need a good book though, once your generation is gone guys, this information and history will go with it unless its all documented!!
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