Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

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Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby raygun85 » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:04 am

Yeah, yeah, yeah...we know, we know....we haven't started taking orders for the 63 Americans yet because we keep prototyping until we're happy. Check is in the mail, honest! Well in the meantime, it was suggested by Mr. Whaldorf that we introduce a full-size vibrato on our higher end models so we decided to start offering it. Our first completed vibrato is currently on its way to Oigun for John's new guitar.

These parts are cast, polished, and assembled by hand right here in California! Available with the Rollermatic-style bridge or the ABM bridge as seen in the pictures. Email us at guitars@m3california.com or call us at (916) 760-8560 for pricing and ordering info.

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About The Bridge...

We've tested a lot of bridges over the past couple of years...the Rollermatic-style bridge (similar to Hallmark's) made overseas, the Schaller with adjustable string-spacing, the Mastery bridge, and finally the ABM.

The Rollermatic-style bridge is a decent bridge. Its solid with Mosrite-style roller saddles and very affordable. We will make these available on our 63 American Standard models once we finally introduce them.

The Schaller bridge is a solid bridge but when we looked a little closer we found what we felt were design flaws. The adjustable string-spacing seems like a good idea, but it seems that most people never utilize that function. But when string-bending or vibrato is employed we noticed that the saddles tend to get loose from time to time and can get out of adjustment. They move straight, side-to-side, so, depending on where they sit, it can actually put the radius a little off and can mess with the action and intonation a bit. Even if it is only slight it just doesn't seem worth it. In addition, it employs a 14" radius and we decided to go with a 12" radius on our guitars so the Schaller roller bridge just doesn't seem to be a logical choice any way you look at it.

We really liked the Mastery bridge and it seemed to stay in tune better than a standard Jazzmaster bridge. However, intonation adjustments are somewhat limited since the bridge basically employs two saddles (3 strings per saddle.) It does have a lot of give for what it is, but we couldn't seem to get the precision we were used to when using 6 individual string saddles. As a side note, we also noticed that when you adjust the height screws to a certain point, it seemed they were rattling on the bottom of the mounting thimbles and causing a slight "buzz". While an overall improvement over the Jazzmaster bridge (which lacked a LOT to be desired), it still didn't quite have that magic.

Finally, we tested the ABM roller bridge. We were hesitant to try it out due to its square, boxy-looking design. However, upon closer inspection, we realized this is a very well-made bridge. Solid as a rock. The saddles feel solid and sit flat against the bottom. We really liked this bridge. The strings glide nicely over the roller saddles. It has the same radius and string-spacing as the Rollermatic-style bridge, so it wouldn't necessitate any changes in fretboard design between the Standard and Deluxe models either. This is the bridge we will be offering on the 63 American Deluxe. The cost is significantly higher than the Rollermatic-style bridge, but we feel it is well worth it. A notable modern improvement of Tuneomatic roller bridges.
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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby popp » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:31 am

That looks brilliant! I'm looking forward to see it on Oigun's/John's guitar...

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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby Veenture » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:35 am

Good going! That looks like a smart piece of equipment 8-)
How does the string spacing compare to that on a Mosrite (roller) bridge?

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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby oigun » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:39 am

Yeah Baby!! Looks great Matt, cant wait to see it IRL. I'm curious about that ABM bridge too.
So when is my house and shop ready, than I can move over to CA and start building some guitars... :mrgreen:

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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby JohnnySonic » Fri Feb 04, 2011 7:00 am

THIS is going on MY guitar?? JACKPOT! :D
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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby oigun » Fri Feb 04, 2011 8:21 am

Hehehe...

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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby MWaldorf » Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:38 am

Matt,

Congratulations! This is very exciting. The vibrato looks great! What material is it made with? Aluminum? Brass (I'm guessing not since you said polished, not chromed). Do any of the mounting holes line up with a Moseley or a Vibramute?

With this kind of attention to detail, I'm sure the '63 American will be worth the wait.

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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby raygun85 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:00 pm

Veenture wrote:Good going! That looks like a smart piece of equipment 8-)
How does the string spacing compare to that on a Mosrite (roller) bridge?


The string-spacing on the Mosrite Rollermatic bridge is about 2".
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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby raygun85 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:02 pm

oigun wrote:Yeah Baby!! Looks great Matt, cant wait to see it IRL. I'm curious about that ABM bridge too.
So when is my house and shop ready, than I can move over to CA and start building some guitars... :mrgreen:


C'mon over! We can pitch a tent behind the shop.
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Re: Full-Size Vibrato, Finally!!!

Postby raygun85 » Sat Feb 05, 2011 9:11 pm

MWaldorf wrote:Matt,

Congratulations! This is very exciting. The vibrato looks great! What material is it made with? Aluminum? Brass (I'm guessing not since you said polished, not chromed). Do any of the mounting holes line up with a Moseley or a Vibramute?

With this kind of attention to detail, I'm sure the '63 American will be worth the wait.

Mel


This bridge isn't an exact copy of the original vibratmute, we had to change it a little you know...they're already so close that we're hoping we haven't gone too far.... ;) Anyhow, they're hand-polished, sandcast aluminum. We're working on a chromed brass version that we hope to introduce some day.
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