A question about tuners

[Sixstringer]

I have the Japanese tuners on one of mine. I don't plan on changing them, they work just fine. Now that I know that they are original, I won't change them either.

[LOSTVENTURE]

I am into keeping guitars as original as possible, but my instruments are all players. Everything has to be functioning properly (I'm a player, not a collector). Tuners can be an issue on older guitars so that can present problems. To address the original thread here, I would ask if the original tuners are functional, or at least in decent working order. As others, Dorkrocecord (sorry if I misspelled that), in particular has hinted, keeping the guitar intact is considered the prime directive since you are dealing with a vintage instrument. Personally, if the tuners are a serious problem, I would try to find an exact, as possible, replacement part. That is really not a problen with Gibson or Fender, but it may be a challenge with Mosrite. If you do a change-out, please keep the original parts, as they may mean more to the next owner than they do to you.
Good luck.
Don

[GTSP]

I am into keeping guitars as original as possible, but my instruments are all players. Everything has to be functioning properly (I'm a player, not a collector). Tuners can be an issue on older guitars so that can present problems. To address the original thread here, I would ask if the original tuners are functional, or at least in decent working order. As others, Dorkrocecord (sorry if I misspelled that), in particular has hinted, keeping the guitar intact is considered the prime directive since you are dealing with a vintage instrument. Personally, if the tuners are a serious problem, I would try to find an exact, as possible, replacement part. That is really not a problen with Gibson or Fender, but it may be a challenge with Mosrite. If you do a change-out, please keep the original parts, as they may mean more to the next owner than they do to you.
Good luck.
Don

Very good advice from everyone. My tuners work real good. THy were so shiny though & not Klusons, thats why I thought they were new. ow that I know they're original, they'll stay.

[moaimen]

The tuners on my current Bluesbender were replaced by the former owner with a nice set of Schallers but I wish they had left the originals on. When good replacement tuners became available by companies like Schaller in the '70's people rushed out to get them thinking their tuning problems would be over. Truth is, tuning problems are almost never caused by tuning machines, it's almost always the setup, or the players technique that causes guitars to play out of tune, (and vibrato use too of course). Personally, I always liked the split shaft tuners, you cut the string to length, insert into the hole, tune up, and no string end sticking out to poke you in the fingers.

[Veenture]

+ 1 what moaimen said.

[JimPage]

Hi--

From time to time there has been discussion regarding the diamond-shaped tuners that Mosrite occasionally used in the early 1970s.

Winging to me as we speak (THANKS, DennisTheMenace!!!) is a Celebrity that, I believe, has those tuners on it. Danny mentioned that they benefit from being cleaned by soaking the disassembled tuner overnight in mineral spirits and then being lubed with Vasoline before replacing the outside cover.

Bod Shade mentioned that they were often used on guitars Semie Moseley gave to friends or religious colleagues, perhaps to lessen the costs of the instrument to a recipient unlikely to complain about the tuners!

My two questions about those tuners are:
--Who made them?
--Did any other guitar ever have these as original equipment?

Thanks--

--Jim

[jtr654]

Tokia had those tuner on some of their guitar .

[oipunkguy]

interesting conversation guys. let me try to clarify what I meant. The Mosrites I have are somewhat collectible, rare, whatever you want to call it, but they are player guitars to me. So I have done some minor mods like replacing the tuners and installing strap locks. I set them up to play for my taste and what I need. But an older or more rare guitar like an early mosrite, 59 les paul, 51 p-bass, etc etc, I wouldn't mod at all, unless I absolutely had too. maybe if I owned more guitars like these i would feel different, I dont know. but when something like a bridge on a old les paul goes for 700 bucks or more by itself, i would hesitate alter it in anyway. just one person's humble opinion.

[TimR]

The tuners on my current Bluesbender were replaced by the former owner with a nice set of Schallers but I wish they had left the originals on. When good replacement tuners became available by companies like Schaller in the '70's people rushed out to get them thinking their tuning problems would be over. Truth is, tuning problems are almost never caused by tuning machines, it's almost always the setup, or the players technique that causes guitars to play out of tune, (and vibrato use too of course). Personally, I always liked the split shaft tuners, you cut the string to length, insert into the hole, tune up, and no string end sticking out to poke you in the fingers.

I could be mistaken, but I had a 70's Brass Rail once that had Schallers on it. Best I could tell they were original.

[dorkrockrecords]

The tuners on my current Bluesbender were replaced by the former owner with a nice set of Schallers but I wish they had left the originals on. When good replacement tuners became available by companies like Schaller in the '70's people rushed out to get them thinking their tuning problems would be over. Truth is, tuning problems are almost never caused by tuning machines, it's almost always the setup, or the players technique that causes guitars to play out of tune, (and vibrato use too of course). Personally, I always liked the split shaft tuners, you cut the string to length, insert into the hole, tune up, and no string end sticking out to poke you in the fingers.

I could be mistaken, but I had a 70's Brass Rail once that had Schallers on it. Best I could tell they were original.

Bluesbenders came stock with Grovers. Brass Rails came stock with both Grovers and Schallers.