Hey Ed Elliott or any expert on pup's........

[dubtrub]

Dennis, I guess I should have stated single coil Mosrite pickups.

Every Mosrite I have all have the color coded wires white to signal and black to ground. They all have the special sound on the combined pickups setting, which to my ears, have that deep hollow, nasal, or quack sound. They all have hum canceling or at least hum dampening when set on the middle position combining the two pickups. This would make me believe that one of them is reversed wound internally distinguishing the bridge from the neck pickup, or else the leads were soldered onto the bobbin to reverse the signal making the out of phase.

I reversed the wires on the one set by making the white wire ground and the black wired signal on the bridge pick up and it takes away that nasally Mosrite sound on the middle setting, making them sound more like P90s. Plus there was no hum canceling in the middle, or any position.

So all this information is still confusing as I have no other Mosrites to examine. Back to my original question. Were Mosrites from the '60s wired out of phase, reverse wound on one of the pickups or wired in phase with NO hum canceling on any of the positions?

[EFElliott]

Danny, when I worked with Semie in '77-78 and 1983 building mostly Ventures model
reissues, all the pickups were wound the same direction, never any talk of trying to make
anything humcanceling, and out of phase was considered a bad thing that we had to fix.
Semie wanted that fuller, richer P-90-ish sound on the middle posision, not that thin nasally out of phase sound(witch I kind of like)most of the pickups then had 3 wires 2 off the coil and a ground off the magnets and pole pieces, we would just switch one of the coil wires around if one turned up out of phase,
you can't always do this with Mosrite pickups from the 60s that just have 2 leads,a black and white, like your 1964 pickup and most all 1960s Mosrite pickups the black begining wire out of the coil is soldered to a thin copper shielding plate between the coil and magnets, the nuts that hold the polepiece screws also rest on this copper shielding, when you reverse your wire on these chances are your pole piece will be hot, and when you touch them it'll sound like touchin' the end of your guitar cord.
Ed

[Mr. Bill]

The one original 60's Mosrite pickup that I rewound, had the thin brass shield plate, but it wasn't connected to the black coil lead. I did this before I was taking coil winding directions and polarity readings, so I don't have this info in my notes.

As far as I remember, the pickups on all the Mosrites that I've ever seen were always wired with the white as hot and the black as ground. I don't remember ever hearing the out-of-phase middle position on any of the old ones that I've seen. In fact, one of the two pickups that I had just gotten from Ed was polarized backwards and when wired normally had that out-of-phase sound in the middle position, and to my ears it didn't sound right. So for now I've reversed the wires of one pickup to get the right sound.

I think that there are 3 original Mosrites in the shop right now, I'll try and remember to take my compass in and check the polarities of all the pickups. I'll also check the ground connection to the polepieces as well.

[dubtrub]

Thanks for the replies guy's.

Bill, could you check those three originals hooked up to an amp and see/listen if they,

1. have hum decrease on the middle position when directly in front of the amp?
2. are loudest in the neck position with decrease in volume in the next two positions?

[Mr. Bill]

Bill, could you check those three originals hooked up to an amp and see/listen if they,

1. have hum decrease on the middle position when directly in front of the amp?
2. are loudest in the neck position with decrease in volume in the next two positions?

Sorry it took awhile to be able to get this to you.

1-Silverburst Ventures Mark V: North poles
2-3/color burst Ventures Mark V: South poles
3-Re-fin black Ventures Mark I: South poles

All three did play loudest in the neck position, almost as loud in the middle, and a little softer in the bridge position. This could be adjusted by changing the pickup heights.

As for hum, in the middle position on all three guitars, the hum actually got a little louder. As for wiring, I opend up the two Mark V's and both were wired white hot and black ground.

Hope this helps.

[ElTwang]

1-Silverburst Ventures Mark V: North poles

Do you have a picture of that guitar?

[Mr. Bill]

1-Silverburst Ventures Mark V: North poles

Do you have a picture of that guitar?

I don't, but I'll find out if the store has one available.

Edit:
Try this link:
http://www.guitarworksltd.com/images/products/1966%20Moserite%20Ventures%20005.jpg

[dubtrub]

Edit:
Try this link:
http://www.guitarworksltd.com/images/products/1966%20Moserite%20Ventures%20005.jpg

[Dennisthe Menace]

WoW!! Who did the Refin??? I don't EVER recall seeing a Silverburst on ANY MarkV!!
I know that Gibson made them on their Les Pauls back in the late 70s/early 80s. Now
they are a common sight with other model Gibsons as well, but.....on a Mark V?!?!?!??

[ElTwang]

Wow! Is it a refin, Bill?